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Bonus 7: JB Interviewed on Holy Hormones

Jonathan: Hey everyone, Jonathan Bailor coming at you with another bonus, yes a bonus Smarter Science of Slim podcast episode. The goal with these bonus episodes is to provide you one spot where you can get all things audio Smarter Science of Slim related. A lot of listeners have emailed us saying there’s a bunch of stuff going on Smarter Science of Slim related, it’s hard to keep tabs on all of it. Can you just give us one spot where we can listen to all things SSOS and that’s what these bonus episodes are trying to do.

Tune into this podcast, you get it all. Unfortunately some of the bonus episodes are going to get a little redundant, interviewers tend to ask me similar questions but hopefully you get at least something out of each bonus episode and if not, well, Carrie and I will be back with some new content in just a few days so hope they’re at least somewhat useful. Remember to eat smarter, exercise smarter and live better.

Leslie: Let me on that note, bring in Jonathan Bailor the author of the Smarter Science of Slim. Jonathan you’ve got to admit that piece went right hand in hand with what we’re talking about here.

Jonathan: Exactly hand and hand what a wonderful intro.

Leslie: You are a brilliant man. You have written this 300 and some odd page book, but it is written for anybody to read and understand, finally and realize we have been looking at weight loss and health the wrong way for a long time.

Jonathan: That’s exactly right Leslie. The challenge of that is it’s all about hormones, not about eating less, not about exercising more, but about finding ways to leverage food and exercise. If our hormones communicate the right message to our bodies because fundamentally that’s what hormones are, the way our bodies communicate to other aspects of our body and if we can help that conversation go the way we want it to, that’s when we start to get our bodies to do what we want it to do, rather than let’s say what it wants to do or it seems to want to do.

Leslie: Alright if that doesn’t catch people’s interest this will. Jonathan is stating you can eat more and exercise less and still lose weight and still be healthy. Here, we’re jogging 15 miles a day, we’re eating and we’re starving ourselves and we still don’t have control over our weight and we know that obesity is on the rise. In fact Jonathan I’ve got to tell you this happened last week too. Mayor Bloomberg, New York City, is banning drinks, soda drinks, juices, anything….

Brenda: Anything larger than 16 ounces.

Leslie: Yeah and I had a good conversation with my friend Steve about this and of course we went round and round about it and I said but Steve you don’t understand the health implications and the burden on the healthcare industry and with the obesity I guess 50 percent of people in New York are obese and he’s saying, “Yeah but the deal is it’s the precedent and if the government can start restricting your intake on a diet or on a food or on a drink it’s going to start restricting your intake on everything else.” And I went “Oh, now I get it.”

Brenda: Why doesn’t NYC take it to the polls, let the people vote on it?

Leslie: Yeah, cause they’re addicted to it. Jonathan join in the conversation here, come on.

Jonathan: It’s actually a very interesting point because if I actually if I may be so bold, I think that precedent has already been set in terms of alcohol and tobacco for example. We know that, science has proven that tobacco for example is detrimental to our health therefore it is highly regulated. The same thing applies to alcohol which in moderation is actually not at all bad for our health and so to say that sweeteners are healthy food products and actually lead to more deaths in our country than tobacco does, I would actually believe it’s not a precedent at all.

It’s simply saying that back in the 40s and 50s when marketers were allowed to rule the airways and tell us that tobacco heals our Tzone and before the science came to the surface everyone smoked and smoking was thought of as harmless, however when the science came to the surface the Government did what it needed to do to protect its citizens. If you look at what sweeteners especially things like sugar and high fructose corn syrup are unequivocally doing to our population, it seems odd now to take a similar approach.

Leslie: What else did I see last week about corn syrup they wanted to change the labeling on it to corn sugar and that was denied by the FDA? Did you see a trailer about that on the news?

Jonathan: I have not seen that trailer.

Leslie: Yeah, that’s right. You were somewhere remote without any communication at all. I’m sure I saw something like that. Alright you’ve got this in your book too in Chapter 20. Sweeteners more profitable, common, and dangerous than ever. Tobacco companies, “We believe the products we make are not injurious to health.” Coca Cola CEO says “Actually, our product is quite healthy. Fluid replenishment is a key to health Coca Cola does a great service because it encourages people to take in more and more liquids.”

Brenda: Because it dehydrates you if you’re listening to your body, okay, sure.

Leslie: You go Brenda.

Brenda: I will.

Jonathan: It’s exactly right, I definitely empathize with Brenda in the sense that it’s not about saying let’s ban sugar or let’s ban high fructose corn sugar however anyone who chooses [Inaudible 0:06:06], they’re fully informed, they’re getting informed. They’re not smoking like “Oh what’s this going to do?” labeled appropriately and they have the freedom to make that choice, but you’re not really free unless you have all the information. Dr. Utican, one of my favorite researchers from the University of London, I think really captured the problem with sugar correctly.

He said and I’m quoting him, “If only a small fraction of what is already known about the effects of sugar were to be revealed in relation to any other material used as an additive that material would probably be banned. Dr. Utican said this back in 1978. Since then, our food supply has become more and more saturated with sweeteners, in fact we’re seeing over 10,000 percent more high fructose corn syrup today than we did in the 1970s. High fructose syrup has been proven to be more detrimental to our hormones and to our health than sugar has.

At the same time we see commercials on television refuting that, but it is a scientific fact. It is an unquestionable scientific fact. I think really what we’re talking about here is really not a restriction of our freedom but actually an empowering of our freedom, where especially mothers who are trying to make decisions about what their children should be eating, what they’re hearing in their limited time is “Oh, high fructose corn syrup is fine, it’s from corn, it’s natural.”

That’s not really putting them in a fair position. I actually applaud Mayor Bloomberg for what he is doing. If we know that a substance is harmful, I think it’s the role of our Government to our citizens or [inaudible 07:52] and have the freedom [Inaudible 7:55] are fully informed about what will happen to their bodies.

Leslie: Jonathan, I’ve got a question to ask you. You’re obviously really passionate about this. Are you pacing around your room?

Jonathan: I am pacing.

Leslie: I know because you’re cutting in and out.

Jonathan: I actually have some more things. I took notes during the introduction but I haven’t gotten to them yet but I’ve got some good stuff for you.

Leslie: I know you do. Now you’re back in your phone. You’re fading in and out from your phone because I knew you were walking or moving around because that’s what I do too. It’s fifteen minutes after the hour of 6:00. You’re listening to Holy Hormones Honey the greatest story ever told another one of those shows here unveiling the truth about hormones and our weight and our weight loss and our attempt to lose weight with Jonathan Bailor, the Smarter Science of Slim. It’s his new book, it’s just coming out, scientific proof, fat loss facts and we’re going to get right into it right now. Jonathan, what is the Smarter Science of Slim?

Jonathan: The Smarter Science of Slim is the summary and application of the single largest scientific analysis of fat loss and health ever conducted. Over the past decade we looked at over 1,100 international research studies and simply broke that data down and put it into a lifestyle that anyone can understand and anyone can implement. Really, our guiding principle is that health and fat loss and biology and hormones as you talk about so often, so well, is not a matter of opinion, it’s a matter of scientific fact.

We hear people arguing about this is healthy, this is unhealthy. It’s really not a matter of opinion. Just like you can study what a medication does when you ingest it and it does to your body, anything that you ingest to the body can be studied and we can prove what it does. Researchers have done that however, all of that data and all of that research has been locked away in dense academic text and studies and our job and our goal was to bring that data to the surface so that we can all be empowered with it and live a happier and healthier lives.

Leslie: Now Brenda asked when we started off on this if you are a doctor. You are not, you are a health and fitness researcher with a proven track record and a passion for solving tough problems. You’re an accomplished public speaker with a knack for entertaining while he educates. You consult with Fortune 500 companies and has done so for the past decade. You also work for Microsoft and Bill Gates if you’re listening I need to talk to you about the HPV vaccines. I just had to get that in. You never know.

Jonathan: Brenda, I actually really appreciate you bringing up the question of Jonathan are you a doctor because a couple of things to talk about in relationship to that. Is that everything in the Smarter Science of Slim is the culmination of the last 40 years of research from endocrinologists, biologists, and people who spend their lives in laboratories, not people who spend their lives on television or writing the back of cereal boxes or making political decisions, and what I thought to do was to work with those individuals to bring that data to the surface.

One thing that really helped me and that these researchers told me during our conversation and why they were actually happy that I was doing this rather than them attempting to do this is as a physician or as a doctor in many ways you’re limited to what you can say. There is a legal term called ‘proximate cause’ where if you tell a patient to do something that is not widely accepted and we all know that widely accepted is not necessarily correct. If something bad ends up happening to that person they can then be sued because they can say that that atypical recommendation you gave was the proximate cause for the injury.

Now because of this, many medical professionals really just to tow the party line, not because they are bad people and not because they don’t want to help people, but because their livelihood and their license are on the line. Not to say you should never listen to doctors. We absolutely should but when you want to talk about something that is as counter to the typical advice we hear as the Smarter Science of Slim is you’re really empowering the outside of the institution so that you can speak the unvarnished truth rather than having to edge your bet. Protect your livelihood, if that makes sense.

Leslie: That’s brilliant and well said. I want to go to something in this chapter that I have been reading over the past weekend, chapter 14; understanding hormones especially insulin and I really want to dive into this topic. In the journal Neuroscience and Bio-behavioral Reviews, J LaBagdon [unsure spelling 12:55] captures the importance of healing our hormones before we are free of body fat. “ Humans that become obese gain weight because they are no longer able to lose weight” and you say Labagdon’s statement is brilliant gaining body fat because we’ve lost the ability to burn body fat thanks to our hormonal clog is totally different than gaining body fat because we eat too much or exercise too little. Let’s just jump right into it. What is this hormonal clog that you’re talking about and how crucial are these hormones to the whole weight effect?

Jonathan: Hormones are everything as you said so well.

Leslie: Hormones rule.

Jonathan: Hormones rule and really we’re told eat less exercise more which just happens to be wrong and we’ll get into that more later but from a high level; food and exercise should be viewed as a control system for our hormones. Our body doesn’t make decisions based on food, it doesn’t make decisions based on exercise. It makes decisions based on the hormones food triggers and on the hormones exercise triggers.

If we want again to change what our hormones are communicating we have to change what we’re doing in terms of food and change what we’re doing in terms of exercise. Notice I said nothing about quantity of food or quantity of exercise because if we are ingesting a large quantity of food which communicates store fat or a small quantity of food that communicates store fat on a hormonal level, the body is still going to store fat.

However if we consume the right quality of food and do the right quality of exercise we can change that hormonal conversation and in fact eat a lot more food and do a lot less exercise albeit with smarter do it in line with scientific facts, change that hormonal dialogue, enable our bodies to burn fat almost automatically and I realize it sounds a little bit finicky.

Leslie: No, not at all and your graphics actually back this up. Jonathan’s graphics are so simple folks that you’d be able to figure out what’s going on here just by picking up his book and just looking at the graphics alone. You’ve got a block for the digestive system and it’s connected with hormones in between the digestive system and the nervous system and the brain and then it breaks off and its hormones who relay the messages to the muscle and its hormones that relay the messages to the body fat so it does go back to the communication system in the body and not necessarily how much we’re eating or how much we’re exercising or anything else. Those are the myths and it’s not about the calories, is it Jonathan?

Jonathan: It’s about the hormones those calories trigger Leslie. One of the things I love to do in the book and even when I speak is relate things back to everyday examples.. We all know people who eat a lot of food and who don’t exercise and who stay perfectly slim and perfectly healthy. We all know those people right and they frustrate the heck out of us and in fact, some of us may have been lucky enough to be those type of people maybe today and maybe in our younger years. How can they do that?

They have a much different hormonal balance in their body, Individuals who are not that fortunate so going back to what I said earlier where if we can trigger the right hormones in our body we can enable our body to burn fat seemingly automatically and its not at all too good to be true. There’s millions of people who do that already. They’re called naturally thin people. We all know them. The question is how do we make our hormones behave more like the hormones of naturally thin people. The question is not how do we eat less.

The question is not how we have 100 calorie snack packs or how we can make exercise less boring. The question is simply how can we use food and exercise to make our hormones behave more like the hormones of naturally thin people and the Smarter Science of Slim provides a scientifically proven answer to that question.

Leslie: That’s wonderful so you can’t leave us hanging on this one. How do we trigger our hormones to start burning the calories so that those calories and body toxins are not getting stored in our fat?

Jonathan: In the book I talk about quality, quality of the food we eat, quality of the exercise we get and we eat high quality calories which are defined, and there’s four factors which define the quality of a calorie. I will briefly go over those. I use the acronym SANE where the S stands for satiety; highly satisfying are calories with high satiety….

Leslie: You’re breaking. Excuse me Jonathan, you’re breaking up again or you’re pacing again, I don’t know. What does the S stand for in SANE?

Jonathan: The S stands for satiety.

Leslie: Oh, much better, thank you.

Jonathan: Am I back? Ok, sorry about that. S stands for satiety and the highly satisfying or calorie with high satiety is the calorie which fills us up quickly and keeps us full for a long time. High quality calories are also unaggressive, meaning they don’t trigger a lot of hormones to cause our body to burn fat. They don’t aggressively ask our body to store them thus overwhelming our body. N in SANE stands for nutrition that these foods and these calories provide a dramatic amount of nutrients, vitamins, minerals, things like that. Finally the E in SANE stands for inefficient. These calories cannot be processed or chemically changed into body fat very easily.

When we eat SANE; satisfying unaggressive nutritious and inefficient calories those trigger essentially fat burning hormones whereas when we eat insane calories found primarily in starches and sweets those trigger body fat storing hormones. It’s really that simple. If we eat foods that are high in water, fiber, protein like non starchy vegetables, leafy greens, things you put in salads, lean protein such as organic grass fed meat, seafood, certain dairy products such as a Greek yogurt or cottage cheese, berries, citrus fruits, nuts and seeds, essentially foods you find in nature. These types of foods are SANE.

They enable our bodies to conduct a hormonal conversation appropriately and trigger a completely different set of hormones than when we eat starches and sweets. If you want to look at the cause of the healthcare crisis in our country it’s incredibly simple. Forty three percent of the average American’s calories comes from starches and sweets. Soda is the single most common source of calories in our country. Between now and 1970 the average American consumes 60 more pounds of starch per year and 30 more pounds of sweeteners per year. That is essentially 90 extra pounds of hormonally devastating calories we’re putting into our body per year.

Brenda: Jonathan I have a question. Give me an example of a starch that you’re talking about.

Jonathan: Bread, rice, pasta, potatoes.

Brenda: All of that. Like even like long grain rice or organic potatoes, all of that’s no, no.

Leslie: Yeah, he’s got it right here, whole grain starch.

Brenda: Out, bye, later.

Jonathan: All of that. The challenge and this is something which the research community, their number one, not number one, one of their primary issues with the food guide pyramid or the Government dietary guidelines we’ve been given that the research community has long proven that starch regardless if it’s whole grain or not and sugar are biochemically equivalent in our body, meaning that while a plate of whole grain pasta may look different while you’re eating it than a bowlful of sugar, when they leave your stomach they are both the same thing.

Leslie: Interesting.

Jonathan: This is again why we see a challenge. What are we all told? We’re told to eat less calories. So what does that cause us to do? That causes us to eat a lot of starch because starch is low in fat and fat is more calorically dense. Not to say we should eat a high fat diet, just to say that starch and sweeteners have a very detrimental hormonal behavior in our body in fact they’re equivalent.

Leslie: Does that hold for gluten free products as well Jonathan?

Jonathan: Gluten is one aspect of it. Fundamentally if it is a starch, meaning it is derived from a grain or it is something like a potato, your body converts that to glucose rapidly. In fact glycemic index which we all hear about is simply a measurement of how quickly your body turns food into glucose, which is a form of sugar. I mean you could buy glucose at the store. Glucose is actually what circulates in our bloodstream and fuels our body.

Primarily when you eat a potato for example, it leaves your stomach as glucose faster than table sugar does, meaning that if you eat 8 ounces of a potato and you eat eight ounces of sugar you will actually have [Inaudible 22:55] but the potato will do it faster and therefore cause more damage to your body. This is why low carb diets have become so popular.

The challenge with low carb diets is they can often sought of throw the baby out with the bath water. Carbs are not fat. Non starchy vegetables have unequivocally been proven, talking about things you put in salads, leafy green vegetables, mushrooms, cucumbers, peppers, things like that are unequivocally the most nutritious and hormonally helpful foods we can eat.

Leslie: Broccoli, carrots, cauliflower, celery, cucumber, eggplant, lettuce, mushrooms, onions, peas, peppers, spinach, squash and zucchini, the most common options. Deeply colored, leafy vegetables are the best options.

Brenda: Eggplant Parmesan.

Leslie: Without the Parmesan

Brenda: Without the Parmesan right. You get your pasta dish without the cheese.

Jonathan: It’s not about doing away with the carbs. It’s about doing away with foods that science has proven are hormonally detrimental. There’s carbs that are hormonally detrimental, fats that are hormonally detrimental, there’s protein that is hormonally detrimental. The reason carbs get such a bad rap is simply because they make up so much of our diet.

The question is not how do we eat fewer carbs, the question is how do we eat more hormonally helpful food so that we’re too full for hormonally harmful food. Hormonally helpful food can be a carb, a fat, or a protein. Hormonally harmful food can also be a carb, a fat, or a protein.

Leslie: I am in hormone heaven. Holy hormones honey. I am loving everything that you’re having to say here. Brenda you had to make a comment.

Brenda: I know a lot of people, myself included like what you’re saying is amazing and I’m holding onto every word but when you talk about taking away my starches and my carbs I get a little anxiety building up in the gut of my stomach. I’m like you’re going to take that away from me, not you, but thinking of taking this out of my diet makes me anxious. So what do you say to people. It’s hard.

Jonathan: It’s absolutely a challenge and the key thing to keep in mind is one it’s not as if you eat a piece of toast you’re going to die tomorrow. Let’s be very clear here the Smarter Science of Slim and the research doesn’t say it’s not like you’re doing, it’s something that’s going to immediately kill you. It’s simply being aware of what’s taking place. For example the average American, let’s just take the food guide pyramid or the my plate.

This recommends a diet where we get more of our calories from starch than from any other source of calories which just intuitively we know for example lettuce and carrots and broccoli and spinach we all know that’s better for us than starch, but we’re told that starch makes up the backbone of our diet. So unless our goal is to be a fitness model it’s not about never eating starch again. It’s simply about taking a more balanced approach to what we eat, so maybe look at starch the same way you look at sweets. It’s a treat.

It’s something you can indulge in. It’s not your entire meal which is what we do see happen… Look at the back of the cereal box. What is a balanced breakfast? Cereal, starch, milk, primarily sugar, fruit, primarily sugar, toast, primarily starch. How is that balanced? Everything is either a starch or a sugar. So we just simply need to seek out ways to make our diet more balanced and practice moderation. It’s not about perfection. It’s not as if you go on the Atkins diet and never ever eat starch again….

Brenda: Jonathan we need to take a quick…

Leslie: I just wanted to say if you’re joining us this is Jonathan Bailor the author of the Smarter Science of Slim and you’re listening of course to Holy Hormones Honey, the greatest story never told. Not to interrupt you there but I just want to keep your name out in front of people, the name of your book out in front of people because this is such an important book and you’re really breaking down the myth and telling us we need to be looking at the facts and not buying into the marketing myth.

Jonathan: Oh absolutely.

Leslie: What you’re saying about starch is just incredible and you’re right it is the backbone and that includes corn. The corn syrup as we say but the corn, other corn products, the list goes on and on and certainly anything that is processed and microwaved and thrown in plastic into a microwave is creating such a chemical concoction that God knows what’s going on there. This is all crucial and what is happening and what Jonathan says so well in this book is that it disrupts the hormones in our body and Jonathan I want to go back to that in just a moment.

When the hormones are disrupted, the hormones are the communicators in our body then how we think, how we perceive, our quickness to anger, our depressions, our hormonal mood swips, ups and downs, our rage, our health. All of this is tied into the health of hormones, so again we’re talking about weight tonight but this is a much broader subject and weight is just one component of imbalance. Correct? Go ahead Jonathan.

Jonathan: It absolutely is and the thing that frustrates me the most Leslie is that we, as a society actually know this on some level. It gets suppressed because of this constant inundation we hear from big food, fitness and pharmaceutical industries. Let me give you a simple example. We all know someone who is diabetic or pre-diabetic. What are the two things that diabetics cannot eat or they die? Starch and sweets. Why? Because it causes a specific hormone called insulin to go bananas in their body in fact it causes it to go so bananas that they’ve broken their pancreas’ ability to function and release that hormone.

That’s when you have Type II diabetes. You have essentially broken your hormonal system, not to say you can’t repair it. We as a society have already acknowledged that an excess of starches and sweets destroys your hormonal system. That’s what diabetes is a fundamental breakage, you have to inject hormones into your body because your body cannot produce them appropriately or in sufficient quantity.

We know this. However, we see day in and day out marketing to the contrary and why? Starches and sweets are cheap, they’re easy to produce, they sit on store shelves forever, you don’t make much profit selling non starchy vegetables and lean protein. You make your profit manufacturing food-like products which are fundamentally starches and sweets.

Leslie: I am just, I have to say at this time, I mean Brenda is getting this loud and clear I mean starch and sweet and diabetics, hello. If we keep going down this path generally we may end up diabetic.

Brenda: It’s frightening to me because I think of my childhood born in the 70s versus my children’s childhood how much sugar in their diet that is out of my control or maybe that’s so easy for me just to go for the box of cereal in the morning compared to what I grew up with. It’s frightening, I don’t want to deal with diabetes, sorry, call me lazy mom.

Leslie: Not lazy mom, that’s being astute, attentive mom. Absolutely. We know that childhood Type II diabetes is certainly on the rise of many factors for that this certainly has got to be a huge one. What about Type I diabetes?

Jonathan: The Type I diabetes and Type II diabetes, we don’t have to get into the technical things if you’re not interested. You might be though. They’re so interesting because Type I diabetes is something you’re born with and it’s simply your body’s inability to produce the hormone insulin. Insulin is a hormone that is used to get energy into your cells essentially it’s sort of like a key that unlocks your cells so that they can utilize energy.

A Type I diabetic if they do not inject the hormone insulin will eat and eat and eat will simply in the bathroom expel all those calories and die of starvation despite the fact that they’re eating and eating and eating. Now, Type II diabetes is fundamentally the same issue except that Type II diabetics cannot produce enough insulin because they have caused so much destruction in their body that insulin can function. In Type I and Type II diabetics injecting insulin is required because insufficient insulin is present based on a breakdown in the body. The cause is different but the problem is very similar.

Leslie: The real issue here is the hormone communication system getting the right nutrients at the cellular level and using the cells in our body being able to use those nutrients instead of storing them because our hormone system is clogged, is that right? Let’s go back to hormone clogging.

Jonathan: Hormone clogging. Fundamentally it’s an abstraction. When I say a hormonal clog the technical term for it is metabolic dis-regulation and it’s just your body’s inability to leverage its energy systems correctly. In a properly functioning hormonal and metabolic system energy will be demanded, meaning we will be hungry to the extent that we need to eat and we will burn off calories automatically to keep our body in a state of homeostasis.

We did not evolve or depending on your religious beliefs we are not designed to be overweight. You can’t really run away from a lion if you are morbidly obese and you will die sooner so the species will die out. We evolved or were designed to stay healthy and stay fit. The human body is designed to regulate its weight automatically around a healthy point, just like we regulate our breathing rate and our blinking rate, any metabolically critical function is automatically regulated by the body.

Leslie: The endocrine system, right? Through the endocrine system, the thyroid, the pineal gland all of those invaluable organs, go ahead.

Jonathan: All of those invaluable organs. However, think about a car. If you put gasoline in a car, high quality gasoline it runs fine. If you start to put propane in a car it will break down and not run. If you think about the way our ancestors ate. They ate foods that could be naturally found on the earth, non starchy vegetables, lean proteins, essentially even fatty protein and natural fats. Starch and sweets were not even introduced into human consumption until about 12,000 years ago which seems like a long time ago, but in reality it’s actually the last .2 percent of human evolution.

We have an endocrinological system that is not designed to handle a heavy quantity of starches and sweets and when we do that we cause insulin and other hormones to go bananas, which fundamentally breaks and causes a hormonal clog and then we end up overweight and Type II diabetic. The overweight, this sounds a little silly but it’s actually a healthy response because if we did not store extra fat and if we did not give all of this excess glucose or sugar and insulin a place to go in our fat cells, we would die because we would have too high too elevated of a blood sugar and we would die. Being overweight is actually the body’s way of keeping you alive when you eat the wrong quality of foods from a hormonal perspective.

Leslie: Wow!

Brenda: I want to know Jonathan when we then come to our senses and we start eating better, how long does it take for our bodies to unclog?

Jonathan: Let’s move slightly away from the clog metaphor and let’s say metabolically broken because it will help with an analogy. It’s much like if we break a bone. Like if you have a hairline fracture it will heal relatively quickly. However, if you have a compound fracture it’s going to take a little bit longer. If we have for example for 50 years been eating a massive, let’s say the average American is consuming 150 pounds of sweeteners per year.

If we’re the average American consuming that many sweeteners and we’ve done it for 10 years it will take less time than if we’ve done it for 40 and the key thing to keep in mind I try to tell everyone I talk to that we know that a broken bone will not heal in a matter of days and anybody who tells you that you can heal a broken bone in a couple of days is scamming you. We know the body doesn’t work that way. If we want to heal our broken endocrinological system and our broken hormones it’s not going to take 17 days. It’s not going to take 21 days. It’s going to take a bit of time.

Now how long it takes is a function of how broken it is and it can be fixed. In fact studies have shown that up to 80 percent of diabetics can be taken off medication completely or greatly reduced after just a few months of following the eating and exercise principles outlined in the Smarter Science of Slim. We’re talking a couple of months if it’s a lifetime maybe a couple of weeks if it’s a fraction of a lifetime.

Brenda: If you think about I’m a little overweight still from having my babies. I’m having a hard time I was telling Leslie losing these last 20 pounds and I was very healthy, very fit until I got pregnant. Thinking only a couple of weeks to maybe a couple of months would get me back on track, sign me up.

Leslie: Let me jump in on this conversation. Just a couple of weeks ago Cheryl Jazar was on and she was talking about postpartum depression and pregnancies rob essential minerals and nutrients from our bodies. If we don’t replace them through supplements or these SANE foods as Jonathan is replying to, that makes perfect sense now in terms of this baby weight that you can’t get rid of and also your fatigue, which, your fatigue must be huge with two kids under the age of three. Wee need to be looking at making sure we’re getting the nutrition and the minerals that we need to feed our bodies not just empty calories and once that happens it makes such a big difference in people’s lives.

The other thing I wanted to add, in combination going back to Dr. McCullough’s article is that the endocrine system is also not adapted to the frenzy of senses, the sensory perception that is around us and that is electrical lines and earphones and the radio and television and the iPods going and music going and fax machines and cell phones going, so it’s on constant overdrive already and has not had time to adapt to all of that. Compounded then with these other hormone disruptors that are in our environment already and then compounded with eating insane foods we really have a big problem and maybe that’s why it’s showing in these high rates of obesity because as Jonathan said that’s what’s keeping us alive.

Jonathan: Leslie let me build on that because you hit the nail on the head and it ties, Brenda, into what you said about just having a baby. You just had a baby obviously having creating life puts an amazing amount of stress on your body in addition to iPod and all these other things that Leslie just mentioned but what are you told? What have you been told to lose that baby weight what else should you do? You should eat less meaning you should put your body in a state of starvation and you should exercise more which again is a stress on your body.

You are adding stress to an already stressed system. Our research shows that we need to change that paradigm. We need to eat more but of the right types of foods because it’s like washing your body in nutrition. You need to take your body out of that stress state . You need to heal it and we even say, and we even prove you exercise less but smarter. The human body was not designed to chronically bounce up and down. That will break your joints down and it is fundamentally the same as eating less.

Eating 300 fewer calories and running and burning off 300 calories is metabolically and endocrinologically the same, however if you use specific modalities of exercise that are specifically designed to trigger the right types of hormones with minimal stress on the body, you can exercise less, create a favorable hormonal profile, and you can eat more and create a favorable endocrinological profile and that is incredibly practical and its incredibly permanent and its incredibly promising.

Leslie: I would like to add to that because I think living with the endocrine rhythm the circadian rhythm even the cells in our body when their taking in food and their spewing out the toxins, it’s called the creb cycle. There’s a real yin and yang to everything going on in our body and when we ignore that, that is the prime endocrine disruptor right there and that is why I’m here doing this show writing my book and talking about women’s hormonal health all the time and the menstrual cycle all the time because God Jonathan there’s another big issue, the synthetic hormones that women are ingesting.

That’s a big hormone disruptor and are we surprised to see women gaining weight on birth control pills or on hormone replacement therapy which now we know is bad for our health but in terms of what you’re saying here this all makes perfect sense. The other thing I want to bring up is and I think that’s really important I did a show in March I believe with Dr. Hanan Polansky. He was talking about the viral DNA that is now in our bodies through biological medicines and his point was, we used to think that a virus was dangerous when it was active but according to Dr. Polansky when a virus is dormant it is harming us even more because it’s acting like a parasite and robbing our cellular nutrition and therefore compromising our health.

We have all been exposed to viruses whether it’s HPV or herpes or just getting colds or allergies or whatever viral things are out there. We’ve all been exposed and if it’s not active, it doesn’t mean that it’s not sucking nutrition from your cells and that’s an eye opening fact right there. Getting the right nutrition to the cells is really crucial. Living with cycles is really crucial for proper body functioning and the farther we get away from seeing the sunlight and the moonlight and understanding the rhythms that go along with that the harder it is on our health.

Jonathan: Simply building off that Leslie is absolutely about that proper nutrition and it’s not just about some nutrition. The guidelines we see when we look on a food label and we see 20 percent, 50 percent, 100 percent of XYZ. Those recommended daily allowances were designed around the World War II time frame to ensure that people didn’t suffer from malnutrition. The human genome is programmed to keep us alive for about 50 years. We live a lot longer than that today. If we want to have robust health, not just not die, those are very different goals, living your best life requires an abundance of nutrition, not just a little bit, but an abundance and that’s why we have to eat more whatever the right quality of food is.

Leslie: This is The Smarter Science of Slim. The SmarterScienceofSlim.com is the website. Jonathan Bailor has been our guest this evening. We’ve got about 10 minutes left and what a fascinating show. Boy have we covered a lot of territory. Absolutely. Jonathan is your book, it’s on Amazon I’m sure it’s in Barnes and Noble and other bookstores, can be ordered from our small and local bookstores?

Jonathan: Yes, anywhere books are sold.

Leslie: Okay. The Smarter Science of Slim recommended for anyone as a part of your healthcare this is an easy read. Once you pick it up you’re going to fall right into it. It’s not like a text at all or an academic book not in any way. This takes pure science and breaks it down to common sense and logic and that is the beauty of The Smarter Science of Slim. We’ve got this huge diabetes epidemic going on, our kids certainly if we don’t put a stop to this now Jonathan and get our hormone systems regulated, it’s only going to further deteriorate with future generations.

Jonathan: Diabetes is simply heartbreaking. To put in perspective the diabetes issue we have on hand. About a century ago one in every 4000 people were diabetic because remember diabetes is a fundamental breakage, broken hormonal system. One in 4000, today one in four people are diabetic or pre-diabetic. That is a 100,000 percentage increase.

If we do not stem this tide, researchers estimate that one in every three males and every other woman will be diabetic which means one in three males and every other woman will have fundamentally broken their endocrinological system. Want to talk about holy hormones having a population where half of us are completely broken on a hormonal level is not a world I want to live in.

Leslie: Holy Hormones Honey. Unbelievable. Did you want to say something?

Brenda: I’m just in awe to tell you the truth. There’s so many people in my life that I know I would say they would be considered clinically overweight. One girl in particular recently had gastro surgery and it took her stomach down to the size of a walnut and she lost a ton of weight. I’m curious to know, you said earlier people that are overweight it’s sort of their body has been keeping them alive, how then when someone takes sought of these surgical steps into their own hands and they have the surgery and what does that do then to the system?

Jonathan: What gastric surgery allows you to do basically is it makes it easier to eat less food. Now to be very clear if you starve your body you will burn fat but that’s a bit like saying ‘I want to get the weeds out of my garden by just not watering my garden’, like saying I’m going to get the fat out of my body by not eating food is a bit like saying I’m just going to not water my garden. It’s true the weeds will die but so will the rest of your garden. We want to burn fat. We don’t want to destroy our entire body. Up to 70 percent of the weight we lose when we starve ourselves is coming from muscle. What we see with individuals who starve themselves is one; a 95.4 percent failure rate long term because what they’re doing is they’re screwing up their hormonal system, they’re burning off a bunch of muscle, and they’re lowering the base amount of calories their bodies burn.

If they ever go back to eating just a normal amount of food, just say stop starving themselves, all of that weight will come back as fat and remember most of it was muscle. It will all come back as fat. The scientific term for this and there is one it’s called fat super accumulation and we see in studies that when individuals simply starve themselves if they ever stop, they will regain fat at up to 20 times the rate a human is typically capable of.

Brenda: I believe it.

Jonathan: It works “Much like pouring gasoline on your garden, it kills the weeds, but it kills everything else too.”

Leslie: Well I think I’m going to put out to our listeners not only to pick up your book The Smarter Science of Slim but also the next time they open their refrigerator door like are you opening your refrigerator door right now people? Ask yourself is this SANE food or is this insane food and I think that’s all that has to be said. Your statistics on diabetes are alarming. Let’s couple that with the alarm that we sent out earlier this year with the statistics on autism and one in 88, one in 29 in New Jersey children being born with autistic or developing autistic tendencies.

Look what we’re doing to our bodies, look what we’re doing to our minds. This is a very serious situation. Pick up the book The Smarter Science of Slim, scientific proof, fat loss facts. The author is Jonathan Bailor and really start reconsidering what we are doing to our bodies and start living with cycles and understand that hormones rule. Really. I mean hormones rule. They communicate to the rest of the body. If that communication is angry, you’re going to be angry. If that communication is filled with love, joy, peace and happiness, you’re going to live that type of life as well. Jonathan Bailor a moment for a closing statement from you.

Jonathan: It’s not about eating less, not about exercising more. It’s about using science to eat more foods that heal our hormones and do less exercise but exercise that has been proven to heal our hormones.

Leslie: Well said. Thank you so very much. We’d love to have you come back and join us on Holy Hormones Honey another time and I want to mention Jonathan and I have talked about his posting some articles on my site at HolyHormones.com. I’ll let you know when that’s there and promote them Jonathan but thank you for the brilliant work you’re doing.

Jonathan: My pleasure. Thank you so much for having me.

Welcome to another “bonus” episode of The Smarter Science of Slim podcast. A lot of readers and listeners have noticed that there’s quite a bit of Smarter Science of Slim activity going around the world and web, and have emailed asking for one place they could get all things Smarter Science of Slim…at least from an audio perspective.

So here we go!

Between “standard” SSoS podcast episodes I’ll share SSoS interviews etc. from all around the world and web. I hope these are helpful…and heck, if they’re not, or if they become repetitive (interviewers tend to ask me similar questions), feel free to skip them 🙂

For this week, here’s an interview I did on the Holy Hormones radio show.